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No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby starlight » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:19 pm

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby dcfoylefan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:49 pm

I've managed to make it through part one. (Of course I fast forwarded through all but MK's part.) Even his vagabond trousers aren't making up for Pinter.

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Englishfan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 8:19 pm

Dear All....

Someone on the forum once said that Mr. Kitchen has it all. I think he might!!!!!!

You do not have to watch this play to enjoy his trousers!!!! Many fun trouser shots in several movies and TV shows to enjoy. :wink:

Perhaps there's a reason besides cold weather for that coat? :noidea:

Another reason to admire Mr. Kitchen. :thumbsup:

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Lynnedean » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:02 pm

Oh, Starlight, I do wish you'd do more reviews of this kind; you're a real treat! Gielgud looking like an anorexic Sir Les Patterson :rofl: I do understand what you mean about the way he speaks in this play, but, oh, that voice ... I do love that man's voice.

I'm pleased that someone has uploaded a good quality copy of the 1978 TV production; the first copy I had years ago was dire. Before that, all I had was an audio recording and that was even worse!

Oh, dear - Pinter! You don't have to peel even one layer off this onion to have it make your eyes water, Starlight. It's Pinter. Makes me weep every time. With frustration. Can never make a ha'porth of sense of anything he writes. And the man appears to revel in repetition. He repeats things. And then repeats them again. And then again. And again. Did I mention that he appears to revel in repetition?

I can't imagine that Mr P would have had any influence on the casting of films for which he wrote the screenplays, such as The Trial (incidentally, I suspect Kafka wouldn't have understood that bit of work, never mind anyone in the audience). I do think he will have had something to say about the casting of his stage plays, though, in which case I guess he must have appreciated Mr K's theatre work, as, also in 1978, Our Boy was in the stage production of The Homecoming , with Tim West, and in 1981 he starred alongside Peggy Ashcroft and Maurice Denham in the three-character play Family Voices, which was produced for both stage and BBC Radio 3 in that year. I've not seen The Homecoming, so I can't comment on that, but I can say of the radio version of Family Voices that it was an excellent example of Mr P's extremely esoteric work, and it didn't surprise me one bit that back in the early 80s it was broadcast on the somewhat highbrow Radio 3!

Of course, there are very many - probably Mr K among them - who consider Harold Pinter to be King of Playwrights (he was, after all, a Nobel Prize winner :puzzled: ). Everyone to his/her own. I just don't get it. :noidea: I have to say that when I hear people praising him, it does smack to me of it being a case of the emperor's new clothes. And now I've probably offended someone. If so ... sorry ... please just ignore me.


Oh, while on the subject of play recordings ... nothing to do with Mr K, but anyone who likes the Bard should go to The Globe website and order DVDs of the recordings of that theatre's 2010 productions of King Henry IV, Parts 1 and 2. It's stupendous! And, biased as of course I am because I love the guy's work, I'll mention that Roger Allam won the Olivier Award for his performance as Falstaff. :D A taste ...
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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Jillybean » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:03 pm

It seems I might be the only woman on earth who actually enjoys this play, except Pinter’s widow (on a Pinter documentary) says she couldn’t understand what’s not to like.

I have to admit, the first time I watched NML, it was easy to understand why most are not fond of it. The first viewing was made of me saying:

“Kitchen looks good in those trousers”
“Did Kitchen just say the ‘c’ word?”
“Foster misses the girls in Bali, yet he also appears to be gay…is he?”
“Ok, what is happening, I don’t understand what's happening?”
“Oh dear, Kitchen said the ‘c’word again!”
"The end?... Eh, what just happened?"

But after watching the play over and over, each time I found I enjoyed it more and more. I found something new that would amuse me or I would spot a different view of Briggs and Foster’s relationship or that of the other men. Maybe I’m looking too much into it, but there do appear to be a few communication levels going on and it’s a lot of fun finding them.

I really enjoy the nuances in their mundane conversations and pontifications, such as anything relating to Hirst’s ‘album’. And does Spooner pretend to know Hirst from the past just to secure a position as his emmanuensis? And if so, why does Hirst play along with it? I don’t know if Hirst is actually clever and playing the game, or just clever, still drunk and can’t remember anything and wants to just have some fun.

I’m fond of the Foster character and strangely not for the obvious reason of Mr K and his trousers. I think he’s flawed, he appears to have bags of confidence about “how much he is loved by all” and “how people take an immediate shine” to him, yet he also feels the need to declare this whenever Spooner come across as a threat. I’m sure Foster does miss the girls in Bali, but I think his loyalty to Hirst outweighs that. For example, Foster’s (almost desperate) speech about “I didn’t have to leave, I didn’t have to come here, but I was called” comes at the point where Spooner is practically begging for a job with Hirst. So I can’t help but feel sorry for Foster as he clearly has aspirations beyond making the ‘salmon or is it eggs’ breakfast, but the thought of losing his position with Hirst worries him.

And who doesn’t like the interplay between Foster and Briggs, especially the Derek and Clive-like spat over the champagne.

I’ve also become a fan of Pinter’s other plays and as difficult as some (such as The Homecoming and Birthday Party) are to watch, I can’t help but love the way Pinter writes. His plays present more questions than they answer. It’s almost like all the unsaid words are there but we just need to look for them.

I missed the chance to see the recent production of NML - David Walliams played Foster and from what I’ve read, did not dazzle the public or the reviewers. I can just imagine Walliams playing the role a little too camply, whereas I think Kitchen pitched it just right. I don't think playing the same role for three years would have affected the ‘filmed’ version in 1978, surely they would still have had rehearsals to keep their ‘game up’?

As the cliché goes, you either love it or hate it... I could have just said that at the beginning and saved myself some time :wink:

But I still cringe at the 'c' word... :sad:
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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby kitchentease » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:47 pm

But, what does the brain matter....compared to the heart?
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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Englishfan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:50 pm

Um,

What happened to the trouser discussion?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :wave:

Just kidding. If you want to discuss theatre, fine!!!!!!

But I know you are thinking things you aren't writing!!!!!!!!!!!!! :obsessed:

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby amiga » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:17 pm

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby starlight » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:23 pm

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Jillybean » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:25 pm

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby starlight » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:31 pm

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Englishfan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 10:44 pm

Jillybean!!!!!

I knew there were others out there who appreciated ALL of Mr. Kitchen's virtues!!! :thumbsup:

Now we can discuss theatre....or trousers.......I'm okay with both!

In fact: Stay CALM and CARRY ON!!!!!! :pleased:

British advice, isn't it?!!! Now I get it!!!!! CARRY ON!!!! :rofl:

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

Postby Englishfan » Tue Jan 21, 2014 11:18 pm

No Man's Pants is hysterical!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I have no idea how your create those pictures, but they are adorable...in a certain sense!

And "filled his pants" is a bit awkward!

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Re: No Man's Land - "The Skinny"

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